Thursday, August 21, 2014

Can there be Self-Realisation before the vasanas are entirely destroyed?

Devotee: Can there be Self-Realisation before the vasanas are entirely destroyed?

Ramana Maharishi:  There are two kinds of vasanas: (1) bandha hetuh, causing bondage for the ignorant, and (2) bhoga hetuh, giving enjoyment for the wise. The latter do not obstruct realisation.

Devotee:  Are the Self-realised persons reborn? e.g., Vamadeva, Jada Bharata, etc.

Ramana Maharishi:  The Realised ones cannot be reborn. Rebirth is due to vasanas which are binding. But they are destroyed in the state of Self-realisation.

Devotee:  Are we to take it that they had gone to the stage of kevala nirvikalpa but not to sahaja nirvikalpa?

Ramana Maharishi:  Yes.

Devotee:  If only vasanas for enjoyment do not obstruct the state of realisation and if one can look upon the events of the world without his state of bliss being disturbed, it means that attachment alone is bondage. Am I right?

Ramana Maharishi:  Yes, quite. Attachment is bondage. Attachment disappears with the elimination of the ego.

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