Devotee: I think of Arunachala, but still I am not a mukta.
Ramana Maharishi: Change of outlook is all that is necessary. See what such a change did for Arjuna. He had the vision, of the Cosmic Self. Sri Krishna says: “Gods and saints are eager to see my Cosmic Form. I have not fulfilled their desire. Yet I endow divine sight by which you can see that Form.” Well, having said so, does He show what He is? No. He asks Arjuna to see in Him all that he desires to see. If that were His real form it must be changeless and known for what it is worth. Instead, Arjuna is commanded to see whatever he desires. So where is the Cosmic Form? It must be in Arjuna. Furthermore, Arjuna finds Gods and saints in that form and they are praising the Lord. If the form be withheld from the Gods and saints as said by Krishna, who are they of Arjuna’s vision?
Devotee: They must be in his imagination.
Ramana Maharishi: They are there because of Arjuna’s outlook.
Devotee: Then the outlook must be changed by God’s Grace.
Ramana Maharishi: Yes. That happens to bhaktas.
Devotee: A man dreams of a tiger, takes fright and wakes up. The dream tiger appears to the dream ego who is also frightened. When he wakes up how is it that that ego disappears, and the man wakes up as the waking ego?
Ramana Maharishi: That establishes that the ego is the same. Dream, wakefulness and sleep are passing phases for the same ego.
Devotee: It is so difficult to spot the mind. The same difficulty is shared by all.
Ramana Maharishi: You can never find the mind through mind. Pass beyond it in order to find it non-existent.
Devotee: Then one must directly go to seek the ego. Is it so?
Ramana Maharishi: That’s it. Mind, ego, intellect are all different names for one single inner organ (antahkarana). The mind is only the aggregate of thoughts. Thoughts cannot exist but for the ego. So all thoughts are pervaded by ego (aham). Seek where from the ‘I’ rises and the other thoughts will disappear.
Ramana Maharishi: Change of outlook is all that is necessary. See what such a change did for Arjuna. He had the vision, of the Cosmic Self. Sri Krishna says: “Gods and saints are eager to see my Cosmic Form. I have not fulfilled their desire. Yet I endow divine sight by which you can see that Form.” Well, having said so, does He show what He is? No. He asks Arjuna to see in Him all that he desires to see. If that were His real form it must be changeless and known for what it is worth. Instead, Arjuna is commanded to see whatever he desires. So where is the Cosmic Form? It must be in Arjuna. Furthermore, Arjuna finds Gods and saints in that form and they are praising the Lord. If the form be withheld from the Gods and saints as said by Krishna, who are they of Arjuna’s vision?
Devotee: They must be in his imagination.
Ramana Maharishi: They are there because of Arjuna’s outlook.
Devotee: Then the outlook must be changed by God’s Grace.
Ramana Maharishi: Yes. That happens to bhaktas.
Devotee: A man dreams of a tiger, takes fright and wakes up. The dream tiger appears to the dream ego who is also frightened. When he wakes up how is it that that ego disappears, and the man wakes up as the waking ego?
Ramana Maharishi: That establishes that the ego is the same. Dream, wakefulness and sleep are passing phases for the same ego.
Devotee: It is so difficult to spot the mind. The same difficulty is shared by all.
Ramana Maharishi: You can never find the mind through mind. Pass beyond it in order to find it non-existent.
Devotee: Then one must directly go to seek the ego. Is it so?
Ramana Maharishi: That’s it. Mind, ego, intellect are all different names for one single inner organ (antahkarana). The mind is only the aggregate of thoughts. Thoughts cannot exist but for the ego. So all thoughts are pervaded by ego (aham). Seek where from the ‘I’ rises and the other thoughts will disappear.
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