Devotee: The Visishtadvatins say that Atma Sakshatkara (Self-Realisation) is preliminary to Paramatma Sakshatkara (God-Realisation). The difficulty seems to be considerable.
Ramana Maharishi: What is Atma Sakshatkara? Are there two Atmas that one realises the other? There are not two selves. First get Atma Sakshatkara and then judge what follows.
Devotee: The Bhagavad Gita says there is God whose body is made up of all the souls.
Ramana Maharishi: All are agreed on the annihilation of the ego. Let us get to business on the agreed point. Nanajivatva (different individualities) are mentioned by some Advaitins also. All that is immaterial to one’s spiritual uplift. First realise the Self and then see what lies further.
Ramana Maharishi: There are three methods of approach in Advaita vada.
(1) The ajatavada is represented by no loss, no creation, no one bound, no sadhaka, no one desirous of liberation, no liberation. This is the Supreme Truth. (Mandukya Karika, II - 32). According to this, there is only One and it admits of no discussion.
(2) Drishti Srishtivada is illustrated thus:- Simultaneous creation. There are two friends sleeping side by side. One of them dreams that he goes to Benares with his friend and returns. He tells his friend that both of them have been in Benares. The other denies it. That statement is true from the standpoint of one and the denial from that of the other.
(3) Srishti Drishtivada is plain (Gradual creation and knowledge of it).
Ramana Maharishi: What is Atma Sakshatkara? Are there two Atmas that one realises the other? There are not two selves. First get Atma Sakshatkara and then judge what follows.
Devotee: The Bhagavad Gita says there is God whose body is made up of all the souls.
Ramana Maharishi: All are agreed on the annihilation of the ego. Let us get to business on the agreed point. Nanajivatva (different individualities) are mentioned by some Advaitins also. All that is immaterial to one’s spiritual uplift. First realise the Self and then see what lies further.
Ramana Maharishi: There are three methods of approach in Advaita vada.
(1) The ajatavada is represented by no loss, no creation, no one bound, no sadhaka, no one desirous of liberation, no liberation. This is the Supreme Truth. (Mandukya Karika, II - 32). According to this, there is only One and it admits of no discussion.
(2) Drishti Srishtivada is illustrated thus:- Simultaneous creation. There are two friends sleeping side by side. One of them dreams that he goes to Benares with his friend and returns. He tells his friend that both of them have been in Benares. The other denies it. That statement is true from the standpoint of one and the denial from that of the other.
(3) Srishti Drishtivada is plain (Gradual creation and knowledge of it).
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